Educator and curator Namita Gupta Wiggers discusses an important pivot in arts education in the 1930s and 40s exemplified by the ceramics of artist and WSU alumnus Betty Feves. This talk accompanies the exhibition Betty Feves: The Earth Itself at the Jordan Schnitzer Museum of Art at WSU. After the talk, Namita has a conversation with Squeak Meisel, Chair of WSU’s Department of Fine Arts. Questions have been moderated via Zoom Q&A.